At the end of his date with Sally (130-134), Holden starts talking about how he's gotten "fed up" and goes on about what he hates about life, what he's afraid of, and what he impulsively wants to do.
Choose a passage from this section and analyze what it reveals about Holden.
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"how would you like to get the hell out of here?" (132)
this shows that holden wants to escapes from reality and run away with sally. He wants to be with sally all alone. He is also really depresed and wants to escape the society that he wholeheartedly hates.
Harrison R.
The passage i choose is when Holden explains the all boys school to Sally.
It's like Holden thinks he is better than everyone else and wants to somewhere where everything is the way he wants it. As if everyone is like him.
He goes on and on about how everyone is like everyone else and no one learns any intelligence. But maybe the truth is that he is not open minded to accept other's opinions.
Holden also brings up how he wants to move, "How would you like to get the hell out of here?" (132) Almost as if he is running away from what people have to say about him and looking for something else out there that can satisfy him; eventhough he doesn't know what he really wants.
-Shelby J.
"Did you ever get fed up?" I said. "I mean did you ever get scared that everything was going to go lousy unless you did something? I mean do you like school, and all that stuff?" (130) This passage shows that Holden is tired with dealing with peoples phony words and actions.
Caitlin T.
"C'mon let's get outa here...You give me a royal pain in the ass."
I agree with Harison on how he just wants to escape from everything and just be alone with sally. Also twords the end of the quote hes starting to realize that he would hate to be alone with sally and how he almost hates her now. He still wants to get out of society and just get away from it all.
Mitch D.
"'Did you ever get fed up?'I said. 'I mean did you ever get scared that everything was going to go lousy unless you did something?'..."(130).
"It's everything. I hate living in New York and all...withe the drivers and all always yelling at you to get out at the rear..."(130).
-JoAnne W. =D
Holden goes on about how he hates school, New York, drivers, the people fittin your pants, guys talking about cars, Catholics and just people in general. He talks about how he wants to go mary Sally and go to MA or VT and live there and just escape....
"How would you like to get the hell out of here?"(132).
"C'mon let's get outa here...You give me a royal pain in the a**."
He is realizing that being with sally is not what he thought it would be like as much.
The passage i choose is when Holden explains the all boys school to Sally.
It's like Holden thinks he is better than everyone else and wants to somewhere where everything is the way he wants it. As if everyone is like him.
He goes on and on about how everyone is like everyone else and no one learns any intelligence. But maybe the truth is that he is not open minded to accept other's opinions.
Holden also brings up how he wants to move, "How would you like to get the hell out of here?" (132) Almost as if he is running away from what people have to say about him and looking for something else out there that can satisfy him; eventhough he doesn't know what he really wants.
kevin e
"C'mon let's get outa here...You give me a royal pain in the a**."
i believe that this passage is quite contradicting. he is inviting her to leave with him even though she bothers him. this shows that holden wants conpanianship and although he wants to be with someone, he wants his own space
Nicole L
"I hate living in New York and all. Taxicabs and Madison Avenue buses..." (130)
Holden is ranting and raving because he is just upset about stuff. He is thinking of anything and everything that is in his every day life, and saying he hates it.
Chris B.
"There's always a dumb horse race, and some dame breaking a bottle over a ship, and some chimpanzee riding a goddam bicycle with pants on. (133)"
This shows Holdens lack of interest in the world and in the daily events that take place. He doesn't care about what other people are interested in because he doesn't see a point to what they do.
"You could see there wasn't any sense trying to have an intelligent conversation. (133)"
Holden generally feels that whatever his opinions are about things are the correct opinions to have. It seems Holden does not understand other people and feels he is alone. He thinks about things that are different than what most people think and sort of stems out to why we are here in the world, and this frustrates him.
-Harry G
During his time in New York, all Holden wants to do is leave his depressed life, and go somewhere to escape. Yet once Sally says she would never leave, he gets upset, but he has a sincerity about him when he says "If you weren't around, I'd probably be someplace way the hell off" (134). This makes Sally feel very special, and this reveals that sincere side of Holden.
If you want to know the truth, I don;t even know why I started all that stuff with her. I mean about going away somewhere, to Massachusetts and Vermont and all. I probably wouldn't've taken her even if she'd wanted to go with me. She wouldn't have been anybody to go with. The terrible part, though, is that I meant it when I asked her. Thats the terrible part. I swear to God I'm a madman.(pg. 134)
This passage reveals several things about Holden. One thing I believe this reveals about Holden is that he understands his own madness. Which, I think is very surprising. It is interesting to see him reveal this when saying: " I swear to God I'm a madman". Throughout this book Holden has come off as slightly narcissistic and I never thought him to believe he was indeed crazy. Holden is a very complex character and it is interesting to see how much his opinions/my own assumptions about him can change, such as with this passage.
-Charlie L.
"I'd rather have a goddam horse. a horse is at least human, for God's sake. A horse you can at least-" page 131
When holden gets off on a rant, it usually goes on random tangents. This is how he is also when he is thinking to himself. Even sally notices it and tells him that she doesn't understand what he is saying and that she doesn't think he understands either.
Miles b
"I hate living in New York and all. Taxicabs, and Madison Avenue buses, with the drivers and allalways yelling at you to get out at the rear door, and being introduced to phony guys that call the Lunts angels, and going up and down in elevators when you just want to go outside, and guys fitting your pants all the time at Brooks and peole always-" (130)
This is part of Holdens big rant where he shows that he really has trouble vocalizing the big things that he really hates, and instead focuses on the smaller aspects of it.
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